52 – SYNGAP1 Service Dogs

Existing fundraisers:

TonyNathanJulianLoganKrisstineNathan F.

Important links from today’s webinar: 

Meridusk9.comService dog programIs a service dog right for you? — FAQs about service animals from the ADA — Email Cecilia Anastos at cecilia@meridusk9.com

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These are our introductory comments from the webinar: 

Our presentation for today relates to “SYNGAP1 Service Dogs”

I have the pleasure to introduce today’s speakers, Cecilia Anastos and Virginie McNamar.

Cecilia Anastos is the owner and founder of Meridus K9, located in San Diego, California. Cecilia has over 25 years of experience training dogs. Her first mentor was her father when she started working with German Shepherd Dogs in the obedience discipline at age 16 years old.  From the start, Cecilia focused on developing a leadership relationship with the dog to gain a trusted companion that will follow cues at all times, not out of fear, but out of respect and love for its handler.  Cecilia’s methods of raising puppies are unique and produce well-behaved and loyal companions. She is also an equine massage therapist and Cavaletti Trainer where she broke ground with these techniques at the San Diego Polo Club.

Cecilia is a well vetted instructor at law enforcement agencies and US Navy Special Operations Forces.

Virginie McNamar is a Syngap Mom and an SRF volunteer.  Virginie purchased a service dog from Meridus K9 a couple of years ago.  Her name is Guapa and she is the amazing companion and service dog to Virginie’s 6-year-old son, Ty, who has SYNGAP1.


0:05hello everyone and welcome to today’s webinar   my name is Olga Bothe and i’m a syngap  parent and volunteer at syngap research fund  

0:13today our presentation is about service  dogs in our partnership with meredith K9  

0:21i have the pleasure to introduce today’s  speaker Cecilia Anastas and Virginie Mcnamara

0:28mcnamara which anyway whatever i respond to  anything cecilia founded meredith’s canine in 2016  

0:40and she has over 25 years of  experience with training dogs   cecilia’s father was her first mentor and at  the age of 16 years old she started working  

0:50with german shepherd dogs in the obedience  discipline from the start she focused on   developing a leadership relationship with  the dog in order to have a trusted companion  

0:59that will follow cues at all times and not out of  fear but out of respect and love for its handler  

1:05her methods of raising puppies are unique  can produce well-behaved and loyal companions   cecilia is also an equine massage therapist and  cavaletti trainer she has been working with horses  

1:17since 1996 and she broke ground with these  techniques at the San Diego polo club

1:24cecilia is a well-vetted instructor at  law enforcement agencies and u.s navy   special operation forces and virginia  mcnamara is also joining us today  

1:36and she is a syngap parent and get volunteer and  her son Ty is six years old and they are a client  

1:47with meredith k9 and they have a puppy  named guappa so it’s my pleasure to turn  

1:57things over to cecilia to get started and  then we’ll listen to Virginie thank you

2:07and can you see the screen yep yes very good  so good morning and thank you so much for  

2:13attending this presentation we will talk about in  particular the syngap service dogs or an emotional  

2:20support dog and as Olga said i founded meridos  in 2016. this is a for-profit organization i have  

2:29partnered with a syngap research fund to be able  to provide service dogs to all syngapians i also  

2:37train dogs for obedience and i have a breathing  program and i am located in ramona California  

2:45the i serve children with panic attacks anxiety  disorders ptsd crohn’s disease Asperger’s and rare  

2:52diseases like syngap FOXG1 and any disease that  is similar to this too this is a weapon this is  

3:03bursini’s dog that she will tell you all about  it here is her again this is my own service dog  

3:09nina and these are some of the other services  that have passed the program in the last year

3:17a little bit about me so i’ve been doing this  for many many years i started when i was 16   as olga said my father was diagnosed  with diabetes type 2 when i was 18.  

3:28we had an amazing sherman shepherd named  wolf who had a fabulous nose so that was my  

3:36first introduction to training a  service dog to sense hypoglycemia i  

3:43graduated from the animal behavior college  i don’t use any methods that imply force  

3:50i don’t pinch posts or spray water to puppies that  they cry on the crates like many do i don’t use  

3:57electric collars these are all the things that i  have heard from families that approach me about  

4:03getting a service or trained so i use classical  and operant conditioning which means clicker  

4:09a lot of food very yummy food and a lot  of patience i am fluent in five languages  

4:15your dogs will not bark with an accent but  they will speak the cues will be in german  

4:23and nor all the cues correlate with the classical  german shulhan’s speech because i don’t want any  

4:32knucklehead to be giving cues to your dog to  call in the dog that your child has so many  

4:38of the words are words that i have made up but  they are in german and they are very easy to use  

4:45and you i have a lot of patience for this work  you will have to have a lot of patience when i  

4:52place that dog with you because every dog takes  about one to three months to adjust to the new  

4:58environment and to do the final bonding with the  child ah need to do with the max so a service dog  

5:08by law has to assist your child with a  disability and sync up is a disability  

5:14it has to have three tasks at a minimum and  the task has to be related assisting you know  

5:22directly assisting the disability of the child  the service dog is allowed anywhere where the  

5:28child goes there are a few places where i will  ask you not to take the dog with you one is a  

5:35swimming pool and swimming lessons i know the  dog will jump in the water to rescue your child  

5:41and if you go to a theater that is not a best  environment for a service dog no matter how  

5:48hard i train your dog to tolerate noise those  are the ada gives the manager of the theater  

5:56the permission to tell you that that’s  not a good environment for a service dog  

6:01if you travel abroad we need to make  sure that the country where you go   has you know you understand the regulations some  countries like France you can fly directly from  

6:13the states into France but then you cannot take  a local flight with a service dog so different  

6:19countries has different laws and we need to  figure that one out before we get on the plane  

6:25and an emotional support dog is  a dog that doesn’t need to have  

6:31the three tasks that will assist your child with  a disability it cannot be brought into a plane you  

6:39cannot bring the dog into a restaurant the only  thing that you can have access is to housing that  

6:46doesn’t allow pets then an emotional support  dog will be allowed my emotional support dogs  

6:53arrive with two skills so they do pressure  therapy and they do anchor so if you know if you  

7:04end up with an emotional support dog at  least you will have two useful skills  

7:09the American with Disabilities Act this is  something that once you own a service of you  

7:17need to become very familiar with this because you  will always encounter the knucklehead that will  

7:23challenge you with the service dog if you are in  an airplane and your child start getting sick the  

7:30dog will jump on the seat to assist the child then  you have the knuckle head sitting you know on the  

7:37other end of the aisle telling you ah service dogs  are not supposed to win and so you need to be able  

7:43to understand the ada rules so you can say the dog  is doing the work at the present time especially  

7:51if you have a child with seizure so this is  very important that you get familiarized with  

7:57all this and when i place the dog with you i will  go through all these i will teach you how to reply  

8:03to these individuals that they make comments that  they shouldn’t be made the singaporean service dog  

8:14these are the most common tasks that i work but  every dog is trained individually for the needs  

8:21of your child the the dog will be able to alert  and protect your child during the seizure the  

8:30syngapian seizures are like 360 then they don’t  come just from the temporal lobe a service dog can  

8:37anticipate a seizure only when it comes from the  temporal lobe the type of seizures that syngapian  

8:44has that they come from everywhere the dog cannot  anticipate it however when the child is having the  

8:51seizure the dog will stimulate breathing will  alert the parents that the child is in distress  

8:58and we will see a little video soon and you can  see one of the dogs in action i teach the dog to  

9:04ascend high cortisol when you are syngapian  is having a meltdown the cortisol goes up  

9:11that the dog will be able to detect the buildup  and will cushion that so the meltdown will be  

9:17almost non-existent or at least a parent knows  that a meltdown is coming the dogs learn anchor  

9:24because many of the syngapians are amazing lovers  so this is an example of ironcore and look at the  

9:30tension that there is on the leash and this dog  doesn’t move this is Guapa she doesn’t move they  

9:37learn pressure therapy this is mike’s a graglia  dog his name is kappa and he’s in training here  

9:44so the dog learns pressure therapy this is kappa  marking do you see the leg marking on the child  

9:51this is tony’s scent so the dog is learning to  mark on the child when he sends a change in the  

9:59chemistry composition of the body they  will stimulate breathing during a seizure  

10:05if a child is afraid of the dark i  can teach the dog to turn on lights  

10:10assist the dog on falling asleep and this  is a chrome disease service dog and this  

10:17is the child that houses in bakersfield this  is uh brother by the way this is hondo and  

10:24so now the child sleeps all night parents sleeps  all night and once i get to know your child the  

10:32rhythm of your household i will propose  other cues and that the dog can learn right  

10:41and this is if i i will play this very quickly  so this is guapa alerting of on the seashore  

10:49the seizure is already going on the dog sleeps  with your child even though it has a crate open  

10:56and i will explain a little bit of the behavior  that guapa does so sida lionen does the dog is  

11:03in distress my best buddy is in distress and i’m  really worried that’s why the dog yawns now he’s  

11:09looking for the owner he knows that the mom of  this child comes from that direction that’s what  

11:15Guapa is looking at there and nobody’s coming  so now it’s hard work and then we have that a  

11:22sign of another sign of oh my goodness my best  buddies in trouble and there i go to work do  

11:28you see the stimulation of the breathing  the dog is licking the mouth of the child  

11:34this might gross out some of your family members  and it’s extremely important that they don’t  

11:40interfere with the type of work that the dog is  doing a dog will lick the hands of your child it  

11:47would lick the face all that in the middle of the  seizure your child will not get sick the mouth of  

11:54the dog is said to have the most clean environment  in the world so you don’t have to worry about the  

12:01child getting sick and it’s extremely important  that you don’t interrupt that process while the  

12:07dog is doing the work what type of dogs i use  depends on your child i either use my golden  

12:18shepherds that i breed here in house these are  though this what your dog would look like this  

12:24is a nine-year-old child so it gives you an idea  of the height of the dog and it’s a mix of east  

12:31german sherman shepherd dog and my dog should yet  who is amazing she’s the daughter of service dogs  

12:38and this is a cocina guava i use the regular  british golden retriever or the american golden  

12:46retriever i use great danes and cane corso so if  you tell me that you have a child who has multiple  

12:54t-shirts a day you know like 30 or more t-shirts a  day and the child tends to fall on those t-shirts  

13:01and if you tell me that you don’t travel much  by airplane this is the dog that i will suggest   providing that you have the space on the house  because in that case mobility and the risk of  

13:11breaking a bone from the fall of the seizure is  higher than anything else if you like to travel  

13:17a lot by plane i will tell you that let’s go for a  corso because it’s a dog that will hold the child  

13:24as is falling you know a cause of the seizure will  do many of the other skills they are not the best  

13:30at sensing the cortisol but but if i have to  choose between a child falling and putting up with  

13:39a meltdown i’d rather prevent the fall and then  put up with a meltdown so once i get to know your  

13:45child and your lifestyle i will recommend one of  these for breeds how do you sign for the program  

13:55the very first thing you need to do if you are  thinking of having a service dog is do an allergy  

14:01test not only on the child that will use a service  dog but if there are siblings in the house and you  

14:06have never had a dog or your children never been  exposed to a dog we really need to know if there  

14:13is an allergy because if there is then that’s it  you know like i have to train a hamster for you or  

14:18something else because it will not work second is  there is an attachment here that probably you will  

14:26be able to find online or i can give it to you  is explaining what is to leave with a service dog  

14:35a service dog is not a robot it’s not  a replacement of your critical thinking  

14:40often i’m being asked i have a swimming pool will  the dog stop my child jumping in no that’s we need  

14:46an adult so the dog doesn’t replace uh replaces  the responsibility of the adult it’s just a helper  

14:55that will enhance the quality of living of  your child and of the members of the family  

15:02also the parents of the child the cost each dog  costs 25,000 dollars we help with a fundraiser  

15:13do not open your own gofundme this is one of the  biggest mistakes that i have seen the very first  

15:19thing that they do is they talk to me the next  thing i know is there is a gofundme flying they  

15:25haven’t even completed an application or even talk  to me after i send the first two documents right  

15:32that is a no no we so syngap research fund and  meridos has created a partnership and we are  

15:42stronger when we all work together as a family i  will help with fundraising because i will touch my  

15:50network we have a fundraising going on now and and  i immediately went out to my network and it was  

15:57a successful reach you also have to do your part  so don’t think that because syngap research fund  

16:03will open a fundraising page and you’re gonna  sit like that waiting for the dollars to come  

16:09you are going to be a responsible service of  owner if we see you that you put maximum effort  

16:17in everything that we do otherwise i will be  hesitant replacing a dog you know in a place  

16:23where i don’t see the collaboration so syngap was  created by families i became part of a family and  

16:30that’s what i want to see we all work together  equally so syngap will serve a a fundraiser page  

16:40and besides being a service of trainer i am also  a fan a fine artist and i’m very active on that  

16:47so i have many times donated a painting for you  to do an auction so that is another resource  

16:58and there is a document that explains exactly  how i work and what you expect from me if you  

17:05are attending the presentation and you want to  know more about the program this is how you can   reach me and you will receive these two documents  and then we will jump on a 30-minute call because  

17:16unfortunately not all syngapians can benefit  from a service dog if your syngapian has shown  

17:25aggression physical aggression towards a sibling  any other dog a cat that you have in the house  

17:32if he has a tendency to kick every human that  gets near the syngapian a service dog will not  

17:39be your best solution and i will not be able  to place it there i had two instances where uh  

17:47applicants had lied in the application please  do not do that because i will find out and it  

17:54doesn’t matter how much you have paid so far that  dog will go to another family i do not place dogs  

18:01in a place where the dog will be at risk so please  be candid and if a service dog is not good for you  

18:10maybe together the whole singaporean and merida  we can find another viable solution to improve the  

18:18quality of living of your singapian without having  to worry about having a dog that might get hurt  

18:26what can they ask you so when you have a service  dog they can only ask you two questions the first  

18:33one is is your dog assisting your child with a  disability in this case yes a singapian has a  

18:40disability the next question they can ask  you is what are the three tasks that your  

18:45dog does to assist the child and then you will  list the three tasks for example medical alert  

18:52anchor and pressure therapy those are your  three tasks then child and dog can go everywhere  

19:01anywhere the child wants to  go child and dog goes together  

19:06there are a couple of places where you will  not be allowed if you go to a medical office  

19:13or a hospital where in a special room where they  treat burn victims you will not be able to bring  

19:20the service dog because the risk of infection for  this individual is extremely high however if your  

19:26child has an operation once the child leaves the  surgical room and he goes into the recovery room  

19:35the service dog is brought to the room  immediately by law they will allow you that  

19:40your dog has to be hardness or leash at all  times you cannot have a loose service dog you  

19:46know running anywhere the fact that the dog goes  to school there is no excuse of allergies you  

19:55know from other children or fear of dogs for  you to be not to be denied access you know to  

20:01to have your child and the dog in the  room because if there is a child with an   allergy the child can be placed at the very  end of the room or the very front of the room  

20:09the allergy takes place when that person gets  in contact directly with the saliva of the dog  

20:16and a service dog cannot be touched by anybody  except from the owner so this is not an excuse  

20:23also when you go to a restaurant they cannot put  you at the very end you know when they pull the  

20:29trash can because you have a dog with you if you  like to sit by the window you have the right to   sit by the window and this is against the law  isolating individuals they have service animals  

20:40the care of a service dog is always your  responsibility however dogs that they go  

20:46to schools with children i have not found yet  one of the teachers who volunteers to assist  

20:53with the doctor usually they are pretty good  at doing that your dog must be clean at all  

20:58times it will not be allowed to you know  go to the bathroom whatever they want and  

21:04this you will not my dogs don’t bark undergo out  of control so because it’s a no no you cannot have  

21:10a service dog parking or going out of control  and this is the place where you cannot take a  

21:15service dog if your child has swimming lessons  the dog gets a break and he stays home and  

21:22and then you know when the dog comes back  there is the whole party of welcoming  

21:27and any questions i think i like when i  leave room to open questions for the audience  

21:36and thank you so much for listening to all  this that’s awesome thank you can we maybe   let Virginie go through her slides yes and then  we’ll do the questions together just in case  

21:45Virginie’s presentation covers some questions  there you go that’s good let me share my screen

21:59all right so i’ll share uh our experience with  one of Cecilia’s dog Guapa and first before i  

22:05jump in and go over my presentation i want to say  Cecilia has been absolutely amazing to work with  

22:13before we we got Guapa and we start working  with with Cecilia i i did a lot of research  

22:19because that’s what i do i’m a little neurotic  like this uh so i literally went and looked at   all different organizations and really Cecilia  was the best fit for us for multiple reasons  

22:31they were she was she’s a fairly small operation  which i really appreciate her dogs in her home a  

22:39lot of those organizations it’s it’s like a puppy  factory not a puppy meal but a puppy factory like  

22:45they’re they’re getting a lot of the dogs and like  you have graduation of like 10 20 dogs out there  

22:53and some of the the feedback that i could see was  the dogs sometime were not as well trained as what  

22:58we get with cecilia’s so just wanted to put that  out there and the other thing too is sicilia is  

23:06always a text or phone call away so if i have  questions uh she’s always there to respond to  

23:11me sometimes i feel really bad to bother her with  stupid questions but she is always happy and she  

23:17i don’t think she sleeps so sometime it’s like  at any hour i’ll send her a text thinking i’ll  

23:22get in the next day and she responds right away  and i know it’s like 4 or 5 a.m at her time so  

23:29she really is committed to helping families  she really you know, she became a friend to me  

23:39and she really cares about her job  and and the kids that she serves so  

23:45that’s that’s my little plug for for cecilia  and and why mike decided to work with her  

23:50and why we decided to partner sr decided to  partner with her so our experience this is one  

23:57of my favorite picture by the way of Ty and Guapa  and cecilia was amazing and she i should have put   in the painting she painted that that picture she  she created a painting inspired of that picture  

24:09all right so i’ll start with the the things to  consider and before you you get a service dog i  

24:17got a lot of questions and calls with families  who are interested and uh those are usually the  

24:24things that that i cover first you have to be  patient the first few weeks think about that dog  

24:31has been with cecilia and her pack for a year at  least and now they’re coming to your house so it’s  

24:38a completely different environment they don’t know  you and uh it’s it’s a lot to adjust so i remember  

24:46the first few weeks guapa would not want to eat  and i kept calling cecilia i’m like she i don’t  

24:51know what to do she’s not liking the food that i’m  buying and i bought all kinds of food and nothing  

24:57she wouldn’t eat anything so i thought well she’s  a picky eater she’s not and you’ll see that later  

25:02on she’s not a picky eater she’ll eat anything  now but it was just like adjusting and then for me  

25:08it was adjusting think about when you have  a newborn and you get out of the hospital  

25:14and you have all that crap to carry around  you know car seats and all that thing and   that that’s how i felt the first week with  with guapa i was like okay i have to take  

25:24the leash like get her all ready get thai get  her mad get her food i get treats get water the  

25:30click like all of this and i felt like i was  like a mad woman i i literally was completely  

25:35disorganized now everything falls super  smoothly we all know it’s a lot easier but  

25:42it does take a few weeks of adjustment uh and  the commands i i put so much pressure on myself  

25:48to know the command and give it to the to  guapa right away when she needed it all of this  

25:56and she was still adjusting to Ty and and  me and and so there’s that adjustment time  

26:01now i don’t even need to say anything she knows  she knows by my body language she knows by er you  

26:08know if i get to an intersection i don’t need to  tell at a halt and wait she’ll just buy herself  

26:14halt and wait because she knows that’s what we do  before we cross the road so it’s been amazing but  

26:22first few weeks take your time be patient  be patient with a dog with your kid with  

26:28everyone it’s it’s a little uh chaotic but  cecilia is there to help you all the way  

26:34the the bonding will evolve over time so don’t  expect ty guapa bonded fairly quickly where he was  

26:42really excited to have her around he was laughing  giving her treats and i’ll show you those pictures  

26:47but the actual true bond where she knew this was  his her person to watch uh it took time where she  

26:56knew uh what she could anticipate his needs that  took time uh it took you know i think a few months  

27:04before before they were able to be in that in that  space now she knows him exactly like there’s no  

27:10like cecilia no like it was saying she knows when  he’s gonna have a meltdown she can anticipate it  

27:15before I can and and it’s been fantastic siblings  so if your child has siblings it’s it’s a little  

27:24tricky they need to understand they cannot play  with a dog they cannot pet the dog and mine ty has  

27:31two older siblings a 12 year old sister and an 11  year old brother they want to play with her they  

27:37want to pet her they want to love her and she’s a  stinker she will just sit in front of them or try  

27:42to lay on them to like please love on me and they  have to ignore her and the reason is we don’t want  

27:49her to kind of break that bond with tai and just  go play with them so they’ve been really good  

27:56to understand because they’ve seen how amazing  she’s been for Ty so they they understand that  

28:03but it’s tough so in our family we got cats  so they each have their cat and so they want  

28:09to pet something then go take care of your cat  that that was a solution and the other thing i  

28:15want to make sure you know cecilia mentioned it  it’s not it’s not it’s a dog not a robot meaning  

28:22the dog has a personality the dog is not perfect  it’s not gonna do you know there are times where  

28:29the dog will be silly there are times where the  dog you know you might need to reinforce the   the training not too much but i was telling  cecilia today right before going to school i  

28:41told guapa to sit and she clearly looked at me and  she’s like nah i don’t want to sit for you today  

28:47once i put her vest on and then we went to school  she was amazing and and absolutely great but  

28:54they’re not robots there are dogs and they’re  silly and they have their own personality  

29:02hair and poop if you don’t have never  had pets they shed those dogs shed  

29:10so you will have hair all over yourself and  all over your house so if you can buy those  

29:15little robot vacuums those are amazing to clean  your house uh but yeah they shed and they poop  

29:22so yeah they’re gonna go out in the yard and poop  and you’re gonna have to pick a poop so if you’ve  

29:28never had i know those like if you have dogs those  are obvious but if you never had a dog these are  

29:33things to keep in mind uh vet bills like you need  to vet bills and and food bills i mean i think  

29:42guapa i spend about 70 a month on food and treats  and things or her and then vet bills you know they  

29:52need shots they need they have their annual visits  and that kind of thing so that’s something to to  

29:57think about too when you when you look at your  budget uh every time i go to the vet now i’m like  

30:03listen this is like the rolls-royce of the dogs so  please like do everything you need to do so i may  

30:10be going overboard but i’m like this dog cannot  die this dog cannot be sick so this is kind of  

30:17my message to the vet which i’m sure is probably  milking it completely but something to think about  

30:25people uh cecilia said there’s a lot of  knuckleheads out there and they will want to your  

30:32dog has a vest that says service dog i had to put  service dog did not pet what kinds of tags they  

30:39reading it oh it’s a service dog do not pet while  they’re petting your dog i mean i don’t know how  

30:46to you know i don’t know what to say to that so we  try to i try to be polite in some situation when  

30:55i know it’s going to be very brief and we can walk  away i’m not going to go confrontation or anything  

31:02most people overall have been incredible and  that’s something i’ll talk about in a minute  

31:07when we go over the pictures but yes you’re gonna  have to to answer a lot of people asking oh is  

31:13that that’s a dog in training like no it’s an  actual s working dog it’s just not in training  

31:22and then eventually occasionally you’ll be asked  you know what’s the disability of your child why  

31:28you know what is the dog doing for for your  child so i usually i’m an open book i don’t  

31:34care about sharing i have no problem sharing that  information with people but if you don’t like  

31:40that just like that’s something to think about  it’s gonna ask it’s gonna open up for questions  

31:46because yeah and a lot of pets a lot of people  are gonna try to pet your dog which is sometimes  

31:53fairly annoying but understandable and then extra  planning for travel so we i’m originally from  

32:01France so we traveled to France every year and  like Cecilia said it is it is you need to plan  

32:07ahead you can’t just take your dog on the  plane and go you have paperwork to do that’s  

32:14you know you have to show all the right  paperwork when you go in a new country   and you have to make sure the local rules  are okay we had an issue last summer  

32:24uh and that’s something that now we know we have  to take a full flight all the way down to my  

32:30hometown and not cannot take two different flights  because in france the some of the countries  

32:37are really behind when it comes to service  dogs so those are things to to keep in mind  

32:44but it’s totally worth it little witty here uh  it’s 100 worth it so if none of that scare you  

32:52then i would say definitely uh go for it so these  uh this now it’s just a bunch of pictures so  

33:02because i cannot uh the cuteness is just too  much so this is ty the first day he got guapa  

33:09literally we picked her up from the airport we got  in the yard and they just started following each   other and he was petting her loving it this is a  few days after we got her so he would just lay on  

33:21her and she would just smell and they would just  snuggle with each other which was wonderful now i  

33:27would say there are times where ty just could  care less meaning he just lives his life he’s   just independent there are times she could care  less she just comes sit down my by my feet and  

33:38and they’re like they need their space but most  of the time this is what’s happening in our house

33:46so a month after Ty got guapa he burned himself so  we had we had he had an accident grabbed a pot of  

33:54hot water and and bird burned his chest and when  the accident happened i did not i didn’t take her  

34:02with me because i was freaked out and i grabbed  my kid and just shoved him half naked in the car  

34:07and drove to the ER my two kids who left behind  said guapa sat by the door looking outside  

34:15the entire time we were gone so it was a  month after they were together so there  

34:20was clearly already a bond and she knew he was  not okay and every time everywhere he would lay  

34:27that that first picture is when we came back from  the hospital no actually the one on the right is   when we came back the night we came back from  the hospital she did not leave his side she was  

34:36leaking his hand she did not touch his wand  but she was absolutely fantastic helping him  

34:43go through that and we did take her to the  hospital i asked before if we could take her  

34:50to the burn unit he was kind of in a separate  area in the burn section and this is where  

34:56i knew this is was going to be amazing for him  because she knew the entire time what to do  

35:03i didn’t like you know that’s where cecilia’s  magic happened but he was clearly being distressed  

35:10and worried and everything she sat down and just  leaned on him to give him a little like pressure  

35:17like i’m here and then she started licking  his hand while they were taking care of his   bandage and that calmed him down immediately the  nurses commented like this is the most beautiful  

35:28see that the thing that they’ve seen  and again that was just one month’s end

35:35this so when we talk about the different tasks the  the one that is definitely that has been the most  

35:42helpful for me was anchor uh you see that’s  the picture is similar picture that what  

35:48you saw earlier uh there’s like the the rope is  tight they’re all always tethered to each other  

35:54he i do not run away i don’t i don’t run away  i don’t run after him anymore which is amazing  

36:01uh once since we started getting guapa i realized  how much running i was doing not great for my  

36:08physical fitness because i clearly lost on this  but i’m not chasing him in the store chasing him  

36:14everywhere we can just go someplace and he is  safe because as long as i have the leash i know  

36:21she’s going to stay next to me and she will not  let him run away and now he tries less and less  

36:28uh he he really knows he can go anywhere  and so he doesn’t even try as much  

36:33but that has been a game changer for us and so  we can really go everywhere with him there’s not  

36:40one place where i’m like is it safe am i gonna  spend my old time running after him none of it  

36:46we go to the store he follows and he knows he can  go anywhere and so having her uh too i think it  

36:53just since it always together it brings him down  his anxiety or his just apprehension or whatever  

37:01and he’s always more calm and focused  that that’s a big thing that we’ve seen  

37:07and so we can go in multiple social set different  social settings and he is fine which is amazing so  

37:17can i can go grocery shopping and actually look  at things and compare and you know do shopping  

37:24without chasing him down down the aisle or  whatever the middle picture we go to slack  

37:30my kids are very active we spend countless  hours at soccer games and hockey games  

37:36and we can now take him he would never sit okay  he’s eating popcorn but we he would never sit like  

37:43this because it’s an open field so for ty it’s  like invitation to just run he knows he can’t   run he just hangs out with his dog on the right  side this is a wedding so we took ty to church  

37:55he sat the whole time knew he can go anywhere and  uh almost paid attention to what was being said

38:04uh travels so this is us in airplane i travel  by myself with the three kids and the dog  

38:11and that’s fun this year i don’t think i  would have been able to do it without guapa  

38:17uh at one point through security  they had me take off all of guapa’s  

38:24the harness the leash the collar everything  and take everything off from thai two  

38:29and what happened is she stayed next to me  ty took off when he when she saw he took  

38:34off guess what she did she took off after  him because that’s her job to keep him safe   and so now i have a kid running in the  airport and a dog running an airport and  

38:42all i could say to security was like i told you  so like next time get me through with the leash  

38:48idiot anyway that was fun uh but that’s her in the  airplane it’s a long flight eight hour and i just  

38:56hang out and i kept getting comments by the flight  attendants uh how amazing they were both doing  

39:04and they were typical kids in the  front of the plane that were completely   crazy uh and here i am in the back with my  singapian and my dog and no one makes a peep

39:18restaurant so we can go we eat we go out dinner  this table was busy so she is usually when we  

39:24go out to dinner in a sit-down restaurant  she is under the table and does a great job  

39:29there she’s just looking at me like she’s very  judgmental she just gives me the look a lot as  

39:36you can see in that picture she’s like what the  heck why are you taking the picture can i have   my food this is the middle picture where they  go to school so they both go to school together  

39:47all the time and uh when we spayed guapa she was  out of school for two weeks and the teachers were  

39:54begging me like when can she go back like when  is she back because this is this is much harder  

39:59the one thing that i would say though uh here  locally so tai goes to a charter montessori school  

40:06and they have a sign up sheet of who’s going to  take care of guapa when he’s at recess or who’s  

40:11going to take her out to do her business  so they all love her she hangs out with  

40:17everyone the principal the front desk the nurse  like everyone she is absolutely loved but i know  

40:24our regular public school when i inquired there  they would they can’t refuse the dog but they were  

40:32requiring us to provide a handler for the dog to  go to school with ty because their teacher union  

40:40would not accept like it was a liability for a  teacher to handle the dog which is ridiculous  

40:47so that’s something to ask to to  your you know ask your school system   what’s going on and and what’s what’s allowed  and then here on the right side it’s time guapa  

40:59writing the carousel for the millions time because  we went to amusement park and they both hang out   there and at the end you can see guapa is just  like whatever i’m just gonna lay down there and  

41:08sleep while he does his round of care herself so  we can really go everywhere with the two of them  

41:15pressure therapy so that’s the  other task quapa does for thai   uh she knows when he needs it she knows  when he’s ready for her there are times  

41:23where he will not let her do pressure therapy  and she doesn’t even try it’s like she knows  

41:30on the left side he was not happy he was throwing  a fit she just like went fu mama bear on her on  

41:35him and be like okay you calm down now and i’m  gonna lick your face and i’m gonna make you laugh  

41:41and on this one right here he was not feeling good  and she could sense it and so that’s that’s a mix  

41:48of pressure but also she’s licking his face  because he’s borderline having seizures there  

41:56uh and same thing like here he’s just chilling  on the tv watching tv and and she doesn’t always  

42:02watch gets on him when he watches tv she does it  when she senses he needs her which is incredible  

42:09the other thing that we we using pressure  therapy for is at school when they do the  

42:14drills any drills of those you know or kids will  go through fire drill tornado drill active shooter  

42:22drill all of those and the kids have to stay in  the play in the place and not move and be quiet  

42:29so they’re using pressure therapy to keep  Ty calm even when their arms are going and   everything she goes on and sits on him and he  they don’t move and he pets her and stays calm

42:41this is uh also so that’s what this this picture  on the left is similar to what cecilia was talking  

42:47about so Ty was having a seizure on the airplane  and she jumped on him she was like this is  

42:53i’m gonna help and so she jumped on him right  before that picture she was licking his face to  

42:58make sure he was okay and this is she stayed  there until he was fine and calm this is  

43:07at the airport we had to wait a long time for our  bags he was losing his mind she knew she can do  

43:13he wasn’t ready for pressure therapy but you can  see her paw on him like i’m still there buddy  

43:19i’m there for you so super sweet this  this these pictures so we right before  

43:26like a week before that picture was taken we had a  car accident in in a car accident that freaked him  

43:33freaked him out and so he was getting nervous  every time we got in the car and she could sense  

43:38it so she wrote every time he would go somewhere  for a while until he was okay she would give him  

43:44pressure to calm him down uh and again it’s just  she knows it and she can sense that he’s he’s he’s  

43:51not okay and and uh and and she will help  him and and it’s amazing to see she senses  

43:57when i’m not okay too so if ty is about to have a  meltdown and uh i’m getting kind of you know like  

44:06it’s going up a little bit am i i’m kind of like  getting angry or not angry but just like stressed  

44:12she will put herself between me and ty uh  she will kind of nudge me and and then she’ll  

44:18go and try to distract ty uh she knows when to  insert herself and she’ll try to make him laugh  

44:27which is really cool uh if she can’t succeed her  latest move is to she knocks him down safely it’s  

44:35all good so he gets down to the floor and she sits  on his face and that makes him laugh because her  

44:41butt is on his face and he think that’s hilarious  and that completely de-escalates the meltdown  

44:47so again maybe gross maybe you find that  gross but that works so whatever works

44:56so these are just some of the i don’t have  a lot of pictures of videos uh the videos  

45:02that you saw that cecilia showed about  guapa alerting at night otherwise when  

45:07he’s having seizures and he’s not okay i’m not  taking pictures i’m just attending to him but  

45:13on the left side he had a massive asthma attack  in the middle of the night she licked his face  

45:18so it was not seizure but he was losing oxygen  and she came and earlier in me and so we did the  

45:25his nibilizer to help him here on the floor you  can see he was about how he was about to have  

45:31a seizure and she started licking him licking  him licking him and and that helped and this is  

45:37this is how they sleep they spoon each  other it’s super cute so yeah not all the  

45:44time sometimes i look at them they’re both on  their back and she’s completely on their back   so we really need a bigger bed because she doesn’t  use her crate anymore she’s always on his bed  

45:54but that gives me so much reassurance that i know   like you see if there’s something wrong she  will alert and she will uh attend to him

46:06and the i would say another  beautiful thing coming out of this   is their relationship tai is no longer alone  and isolated he has a friend always with him  

46:18and the way people look at tai has completely  changed they used to look at him and give the  

46:25look like okay what’s wrong with you or look at  me like you know something’s wrong with your kid  

46:31now they see the two together and it smiles i  get a lot of smiles and that has changed a lot  

46:39the way he approaches the world he’s so much more  confident like he’s walking in the place with her  

46:44and it’s like he owns the place and it has created  more social interaction with people and it’s  

46:52always positive you know it’s like oh you have a  cool dog i love your dog and it’s like i can see  

46:58that he he it’s just like the way he changes  he smiles it makes him feel really cool about   it and so they’re just always getting uh you know  doing lots of things together hanging out together

47:12very dramatic on this middle picture  i love her she lays like this 90   of the time when she’s at home

47:20and then what i was saying she has a lot of personality  so she feels that whatever ty eats is fair game  

47:29so if he doesn’t protect his food she’ll eat it  and that’s okay with me because that’s like we  

47:35use food a lot to create that bond uh now i’m  not super happy when she grabs a big expensive  

47:41piece of cheese and just chomps it that’s not cool  uh kind of creating but i mean you can’t just like  

47:50she just looks at you with those puppy eyes still  ties corn uh in this thai and the left one tai  

47:56had cleaned up his plate in the morning and she  just she’s like fine i’ll just clean up the fork

48:04so yeah full of personality this is yeah this  is her she’s a cuddle bug uh she is a teddy bear  

48:13thief and killer just so that you know that’s  that’s what she does she likes to go in kid’s   room and steal their teddy bears and and just  destroy it even though she has a pile of her own

48:25and this is her giving me the look i love that  picture because ty is laying down on the floor and  

48:31she’s looking at me she’s looking at him looking  at me looking at him as like are we really letting   him lay on the floor that is that acceptable uh  so yeah she is amazing changed our life for the  

48:43better changed ty’s life and uh made everything  easier for us and we absolutely love her cool  

48:51thank you virginia that was awesome  testimonial and i’m glad people heard   from cecilia i want to make i want to make uh  i want to just make him make a point and then  

49:00we’ve got some a mom in the audience who had  a service dog for a decade not from cecilia  

49:07and uh just recently got diagnosed with  singapore she has a bunch of questions too   just about this program but the point i want to  make for the singap families who are watching is

49:19there’s a lot of places to get service dogs i  get this question and i’m not saying that i’ve   surveyed every single place on earth that does  service dogs and that i have empirical data to  

49:29suggest that cecilia is actually the best person  on earth to make service dogs i’m not saying that   i am saying that i have visited cecilia i have met  cecilia i i’ve learned about her through virginia  

49:40and i do believe that if she’s not the best on  the planet she’s one of the best on the planet  

49:46because i can’t understand how somebody could  be more dedicated to this work i mean virginia  

49:52alluded to it in passing i’ve been in cecilia’s  house it’s it’s like a dog training house there’s  

49:57dogs everywhere in cecilia and it’s amazing so you  know and and and i think i encourage families who  

50:05are curious about service dogs talk to syria  talk to other people the cost is real right so  

50:11this number that we’re talking about is is a real  number and we got to raise it and the places that   say it’s free they’re actually they’re going  to try to raise it and it takes a lot of time  

50:21and even with cecilia i think we should talk  about the that’s one question before i open   it up cecilia can you just talk about kind  of the timing because i think people think  

50:30that they need to find the money today so they  can get a dog tomorrow and that’s not real life   and and i would just encourage families to you  know there’s a lot of places out there who do  

50:38service dogs there’s different approaches for what  i’ve looked at i like cecilia’s approach i think  

50:45our kids are rare they don’t fit neatly in buckets  so having someone like cecilia who’s going to do   it bespoke is good having someone do it bespoke  who’s already done a few singapians even better  

50:56cecilia is did virginia’s is doing one for  my son we’re doing one for julian right now  

51:03so you know if you were to come out of this  and sign up tomorrow you’d be number four i  

51:09can’t I just want to emphasize to people there’s  there’s there’s there’s this cost is about in   the neighborhood and then the timing is months  but that’s still pretty good there’s places out  

51:20there where the timing is like years years so  with that said cecilia you want to just comment  

51:25on the timing and i’m going to ask christine  yeah so the other organizations are my number of  

51:30your organizations and my offer as a result they  will ask you to fundraise between 16 and 25 000  

51:37before they put you on the waiting list so  that’s something too and i have served alpha  

51:44my service dog that now is assisting i am an  autistic girl in she went to south carolina now  

51:52she’s in massachusetts she paid the 16 000 to this  organization in southern california and they told  

52:00her that they were not going to give her the dog  because i didn’t agree that she had three other   siblings so they lost the sixteen thousand dollars  so that’s something for you to keep in mind that  

52:11you are not in the waiting list until you come  up with all the money the way with me is not that  

52:18you come up with all at once so i work with four  families a year for exactly that reason my dogs  

52:25this is my office where you see that those spend  the entire time with me they we replicate the life  

52:31that the dog will have in your house so that’s  why i can only do four dogs at a time per year  

52:37and once you you tell me that you want to be part  of the program for the year we sign a contract you  

52:45make a deposit that is 20 of the total cost and  then the remaining we divide in 10 months and  

52:55so you don’t have to come up with the whole  amount all at once if it takes me longer than than  

53:02to place your dog i might tell you you know  the dog is doing great but i want the dog   in my property two more months you don’t pay  for that that’s on me i delivered the best if  

53:13i see that your dog needs to mature a little bit  more or or you know whatever it is that i want to  

53:19do extra then it’s on me and then when the dog is  ready to go it goes to your house but cecilia the  

53:25point is like if somebody signs up tomorrow they  give you a deposit then you gotta go find the dog   or whatever the next letter so once we find the  contract yeah you can expect you need to give me  

53:35four to six months right because uh adam the  female dog goes into heat every six months  

53:42so i work with local breeders and i breed also  so once you sign the contract i need to have like  

53:49four to six months to find the perfect dog but all  these breeders give me first pick per every liter  

53:57when you see like six or more dogs one or two  dogs will have the temperament for service  

54:05and if i don’t find a good dog in that leader  i don’t get it i wait for the next once a dog  

54:11arrives into the property that’s when you the  first payment starts and then from there you can  

54:17expect your dog 10 to 12 months from that period  how do i bond the dog if you can travel to san  

54:26diego like mike has done and russia i’m training  it up for a national theater too so if you can  

54:33come to san diego that’s ideal belgium couldn’t  come to san diego with thai so we bonded the child  

54:41in using other methods so i’m very flexible i can  bond one way or the other and then at the time of  

54:49delivery either take the dog with you to you or  someone that helps me take the dog with you or  

54:55you pick up the dog so there are many different  ways for you to receive the dog killer christine  

55:02do you want to introduce yourself and just talk  a little bit and ask the celia your questions

55:11i’m just trying to get on here okay here i am  hi everyone i’m christine rowan i have a 21  

55:19year old daughter who was recently diagnosed with  syngap we actually had a service dog when she was  

55:27we got the dog when she was 10 years old and got  the dog through it was guiding eyes for the blind  

55:35had a healing autism program at that time where  they were doing service dogs providing service  

55:41dogs for children diagnosed with autism and the  primary job they did was that anchor job that  

55:49both cecilia and virginie talked about so i  just wanted to jump in here cecilia i think  

55:57the work you’re doing is amazing the way you’re  tailoring these dogs to these children with  

56:03syngap you know specifically to the family  that the the needs of that particular family  

56:09that is just so awesome to hear just some things  that you know so my experience with my dog i will  

56:17say was incredible very much similar i don’t need  to go into all the details because mirrored very  

56:23much what virginie shared in terms of the benefits  to uh the family the child um certainly like we  

56:30took our first family 10 years old my daughter  was like our first family vacation on a plane  

56:36somewhere with our service dog and i had um i  have two younger daughters at the time so i had a  

56:43six-year-old and a three-year-old at the time um  with the 10 year old on a plane off on vacation  

56:49and uh you know without the fear of losing  our daughter somewhere or um that that calming  

56:56effect also uh that virginie was talking about  so i i can uh say that you know these dogs are  

57:04just incredible for for the family um something  just thoughts in terms of thinking about this  

57:13isn’t even necessarily a question just something  uh on my heart that i want to put out there um  

57:19so my daughter does have behaviors she has  some serious uh aggression behaviors at times  

57:27most of the time that is not uh an issue  with her she is a love bug she’s a cuddler  

57:33uh just awesome but she has these episodes of  aggression she’s had aggression towards siblings  

57:39like you were talking about so um and you know  that’s that’s so tough for the family for the  

57:45kids as i’m sure you can imagine so i i honestly  felt a little sad when you have said that you  

57:52know that um that’s like a deal breaker right from  the get-go I will tell you we had our dog from uh  

58:00the time my daughter was 10 years old till the  dog passed away and we got her at age four um so  

58:07meaning the dog was four the dog unfortunately  at age 14 but a family member we loved her  

58:14uh we took awesome care of her um and uh just  the way i protected amanda’s siblings from those  

58:21issues of aggression i protected the dog from  those issues of aggression and the dog interrupted   a lot of that like we didn’t get to that point  because we had the dog but um so i’m just food  

58:32for thought putting that out there uh because i  really feel sad for we’re not looking for another  

58:37dog at this at this point so i’m not speaking for  me but i’m speaking for the other sin gap families  

58:43who do have children who have those issues of the  with aggression that um you know when we got this  

58:49dog we were at a point we just needed something  joyful something hopeful in our lives and this dog  

58:56made such a huge impact on the entire family and  so that’s why i feel like i just want to speak on  

59:03behalf of those i understand your love and concern  for these dogs that you put so much investment in  

59:09and there may be issues where it wouldn’t be a  good fit but i just you know would love to have  

59:16it thought about is it really the best option  to immediately eliminate those families don’t  

59:23even apply don’t even think about it so you have  said two key points one is that your daughter  

59:28didn’t have the aggregation 100 percent of the  time is something where it happened occasionally  

59:35and you can remove the dog from the situation so  i’m talking about the children where that is a  

59:41constant you know it’s absolutely constant so then  how can you have a dog uh constantly remove out of  

59:47the child that doesn’t work so that’s a very good  point so if you tell me that it’s an occasion uh  

59:55event and you can immediately remove the dog you  know like bring the dog to safety until the child  

1:00:01comes then i work with you um and the other point  you made is your daughter is 21. and i had a  

1:00:09mom telling me that she thought that  she wouldn’t qualify because a child   was older than a kid you know 16 i serve the  whole gamut so you don’t you’re never too old  

1:00:22to have a service or i have a service dog and  i started training mine when i was much older  

1:00:29so when um so there is no age demand but um but  i hope that the rest of the families that they  

1:00:35are listening to this don’t think that if your  child throws a feast i say no to the service dog  

1:00:40i meant the child that is constantly constantly  you know hitting and kicking and what is um  

1:00:47doesn’t the normal of the child then i can  bond and pair there is there will be no bonding  

1:00:54thank you so much for that clarification i  appreciate that you know i that that i think opens  

1:01:01the door for a lot more families that you know do  have children who have these episodes that they  

1:01:07just don’t have that control over the emotions and  it turns over to another level so that’s wonderful  

1:01:12to hear i’m so glad uh we spoke about that and  then the other thing i just wanted to ask about  

1:01:18has to do with the siblings so i know in virginie  virginie shared you know the other siblings  

1:01:25in terms of interacting with the children i  mean interacting with the dog is really like  

1:01:31kind of off limits so like in our situation like  i explained our my the siblings are younger and  

1:01:39i had a three-year-old if you can’t really explain  to three-year-olds you can’t ever interact with   this dog so so what we did in our situation was  the and this our agency kind of helped us with  

1:01:52amanda was in charge of and i know this is going  to vary between families but amanda was in charge  

1:01:57my that’s my daughter with syngap was in charge  of treats and food and you know kept those that  

1:02:05that food connection you know for the  dogs um but the siblings were allowed to   come in in terms of our dog happened to  love to playing tug you know or or fetch  

1:02:17or things like that and so the siblings kind  of had some ability to bond with the dog there  

1:02:22there’s just such an no okay so for us that that  yeah but that’s important now with the dogs that  

1:02:29i played first of all we will never play tag  with the service dog that’s an absolute no-no  

1:02:36none of the dogs here the only thing  that they learn is to play fetch   because if i’m assisting a child that needs um  you know you can have a combination of a syngapian  

1:02:46who has reactive hypoglycemia meaning like  the child is active and the sugar they are  

1:02:52not diabetic but the sugar will drop like suddenly  so if i need to teach a dog to bring a juice for  

1:02:59the child then the dog learns fetch but a plain  tag with a service dog is an absolute no-no and  

1:03:06the dogs that i place i work very very hard with  the families to no matter how young your child is  

1:03:14when i’m placing the dog i work with the child to  make the child understand that the service dog is  

1:03:20of limits and i you know i do a whole bunch of  activities with a young child but the dogs that  

1:03:30comes out of meridos they’re only exclusively for  the syngapian and on that one i i’m not flexible

1:03:41okay i hear you i just you know i know that  so to parents i hear how virginie worked it  

1:03:48for us unfortunately that wasn’t an option to have  like other pets at that time yeah so but there are  

1:03:55many other ways you know like if you are allergic  to cut there are many many other ways where we  

1:04:00can make the other two children participate in  the event without disrupting the work and the  

1:04:07bonding of the service dog with a syngapian yeah  and i think that’s i’m excited to do that with my  

1:04:14my four-year-old because one of the things that  i love about this is this idea that tony will  

1:04:19actually have a companion like virginie  talked about right that’s so important   um i want to make sure we get to a couple  of questions so i hope am i cutting you off  

1:04:27christine or do you have no no i’ll i’ll turn off  here sorry no no you’re welcome to stay you’re   welcome to stay i mean you’ve had a service dog  for 10 years i think the messages i want to get  

1:04:35to the community are we found a great provider  of service dogs if you agree with us call cecilia   if you want something slightly different  good luck let us know what you find  

1:04:43but i’ve you know i virginie’s done a lot of  work i did a little i did a little bit of work   and largely leveraged for ginny i think we’ve  gotten very lucky the 25 000 number is what  

1:04:53it costs this is the going rate and i think to  underscore for people the partnership between  

1:04:59SRF and cecilia if you were to go to cecilia  and say i want a dog that would cost you 25 000  

1:05:06by setting up a service dog support  program through SRF and having SRF con  

1:05:12pay cecilia you are able to fundraise through SRF  which means all your donors get a tax deduction  

1:05:17which means 25 000 is actually becomes a  smaller number in real terms so i think  

1:05:23that’s a really important program that i want to  make sure we don’t miss and i i am hopeful that  

1:05:28this community people listen to this webinar  will decide they want a dog and we will keep  

1:05:34and then cecilia will go from having three syngap  parents in her phone to having 30 or 10 or however  

1:05:39many it is and really become an expert because  our kids have a tremendous amount of anxiety  

1:05:45they require a lot of love and attention and if  this is and if and this could be an incredibly   effective way to do it so that that’s my angle  that’s my pitch i’ve said it lauren perry asks  

1:05:54a bunch of questions in the Q&A cecilia the third  question down is it okay to bring them into a home  

1:05:59with other dogs does the size of the individual  matter could they anchor a bigger person and then  

1:06:05what’s the lifespan of the dogs okay so when you  bring a dog a service dog to a home that had other  

1:06:12dogs that family needs to the owner of the other  dogs they need to put the dog away so your service  

1:06:18dog cannot be playing with other dogs when you  visit relatives or friends who have other dogs um  

1:06:24the size so the last one i use are kind of corso  they are like they look you know tough and scary  

1:06:32but they are amazing that’s the italian version  of the american mastiff but um so if the you are  

1:06:40concerned about multiple seasons falling and the  anchoring then i go with the candy core so they  

1:06:46are absolutely sweet and and especially the ones  that i picked for service so i’m not concerned of  

1:06:52size and either because the child is too tall or  large or because the child is too small then if  

1:06:59you have a three or four year old then i go with  my um ameri my british golden which are wapa’s  

1:07:08relatives and they come in 60 pounds so that’s a  very good size for the dog they have the strength  

1:07:15to anchor but they also they are like a little  bit smaller to be around like a four-year-old  

1:07:22she is very strong guapa is small she’s 60 pounds  tiny very small golden uh one day i was taking tie  

1:07:29to swimming she can’t come to swimming to swimming  so she stays home she doesn’t like staying home   when he gets out of the house she’s like no no way  i’m coming she got in the car i could not get her  

1:07:38out of the car i had to trick her by putting the  vest and and giving her commands i was trying to  

1:07:44get her out of the car couldn’t move the dog  and i feel like i’m pretty strong but whatever  

1:07:50yeah when i read up so heather yes you know  if you have a daughter with similar behavior  

1:07:56as christine was talking i can help you with that  um the age of the child i prefer the you will see  

1:08:05results if your child is above three years old  you know like four would be my ideal cut off um  

1:08:13because as the best age you know for the  child to start interacting with the dog  

1:08:18and there is no limit higher up so i so when you  say cut off you’re talking you wouldn’t go below  

1:08:25that i wouldn’t go below a four-year-old child but  five six seven eight nine ten eleven eight oh yeah  

1:08:31yeah above yes yeah there is no limit i work with  adults also and when i was telling earlier that i  

1:08:37work with um you know panic attacks ptc a lot of  the components of the singapore has all that so  

1:08:44this i know i have placed many many dogs with all  those um but uh if your child is three years old  

1:08:52now then think about getting your service dog  because by my placer your child will be four  

1:08:58right so it takes me a year to work with your dog  um and what about this question from marta yeah  

1:09:06one of the fears is the dog dies and leaves us in  capian alone okay so the lifespan of the dogs are  

1:09:14about 14 years old but if you are so in the case  of christine um rowan she had the dog she didn’t  

1:09:22want to replace another one so let’s say that um  your service dog turns 12 that’s when we start  

1:09:29talking about what’s gonna happen after because  even though the dog lives for 14 or 16 years  

1:09:37the reality is when the dog turns 12 stops uh  operating as a service dog it’s like you know  

1:09:44you’re having like a grandma or a grandpa with you  like you can’t have the strength to do all that if  

1:09:50you want a second service dog then what i do is  i place the new service dog while the old one is  

1:09:57retired at home i’m just having the life of the  century so when the old one passes away the child  

1:10:04is already bond with the new dog and we don’t see  um like the core belt you know of emotion is very  

1:10:12flat instead of like you know a sadness and then  the peak because there is no more dog in the house  

1:10:19yeah christine you went through that do you  want to comment on this yes i i would so we  

1:10:25when our dog like probably about a year before  our dog passed away we did get another dog it  

1:10:33wasn’t a service dog at this point my other  children were older they were able to help   and so we actually decided to just go a  different route and and amanda had learned  

1:10:42a lot about interacting with dogs um by the  time you know our service dog was older so  

1:10:49we decided to get a family pet at this point  and um uh so we got the dog um we got a puppy  

1:10:57when our service dog was older and the puppy  actually bonded a lot with amanda as well as  

1:11:03well as the rest of the family and uh serves a lot  of the same things our service dog did but just in  

1:11:10the home um and that really really did make a big  difference with the transition when our service  

1:11:17dog did pass away um very just like cecilia is  uh explaining there was a new bond that developed  

1:11:24um and that helped a lot amanda still will talk  about our our service dog’s name was vivian and   she’ll talk about viv and heaven and she’s in  heaven now uh but um you know it really eased that  

1:11:36uh loss um quite a bit i will also say that as  we all know as singapian parents you know the the  

1:11:45the future is always somewhat unknown and um you  know there there’s just so much benefit to you  

1:11:53know if you feel like this is something that will  help your child um you know i just encourage you  

1:11:59don’t shut the door because of that fear of that  loss down the future um you know there’s just  

1:12:06so so much improvement we saw in language even uh  socialization um when we when amanda would go to  

1:12:13the playground with her dog with her she’s like  little celebrity and we were able to use that   as a um as a a foundation for encouraging  speech and responding like she had these  

1:12:26they started out scripted but she learned  her ways of responding when they would ask   you know they they’d go to the adult and say  what’s the dog’s name and i would always defer  

1:12:35to amanda and say amanda you know you though this  is her it’s her dog amanda you answer the question  

1:12:40and in her fragmented way of answering you know  it helped encourage that speech and socialization  

1:12:46um and you know yeah really made her this little  celebrity so just so much um benefit out there  

1:12:54uh in terms or benefit we saw from our service  dog that uh way outweighed that that um you know  

1:13:02future uh loss so just my my point to share and  i see a question about having a golden doodle one  

1:13:11and a half years old that is very tuned way  through um when i place a service dog i have  

1:13:18play service dogs with other dogs in the house and  i think christine you have a dog too right yeah  

1:13:23so yeah the dog that is already in the house  it has to be separated from the service dog  

1:13:29so if you are telling me that the dog that you  have is very in tune and very attached to drew  

1:13:35um before the placement happened 10 months before  the placement we need to make that dog reattach  

1:13:42to another person so you need that a golden  doodle to reattach to someone else in the family  

1:13:48because by the time the service dog arrives that’s  the only dog that needs to interact with you  

1:13:54and we cannot have a competition because we  can have your service dog licking drew’s face  

1:13:59and the other dog interrupting that because he  also thinks that he’s playing with the child  

1:14:04so that one we need to figure it out how we  can finagle and then i’m being asked to talk  

1:14:10more about the fundraising um do you want  to talk about that mike or you want me to  

1:14:17talk i’m happy to talk about it i mean  essentially the idea is you know if nothing  

1:14:25else if the family were just to rate refine the  25 000 by by moving it through a fundraiser they  

1:14:31would get a big fat tax tax receipt right but  a lot of families most of us do not have 25 000  

1:14:36so we can just write a check so we need to  fundraise it and and there it’s a you get  

1:14:42more legitimacy by doing a fundraiser if  everyone goes to syngap.fun slash julian   that’s our current fundraiser for a singap dog  i’ll i’ll i’ll chat it out to all the participants  

1:14:52singapon slash julian and um at that point it’s  you know it’s it’s primarily there was as um

1:15:03as cecilia said it’s primarily the  the responsibility on the family   to reach out to their family and friends  and employers and everybody and say  

1:15:10please help us raise this money and i  think what i’ve seen now with virginia’s   and what i’m seeing with julian’s  is it’s easier for a family to say  

1:15:18this is going to help this kid please help me  raise 25 dollars point one point two i have been

1:15:29very grateful and happy to see how engaged cecilia  is in supporting this and i think to your credit  

1:15:34cecilia you have already you know cecilia’s really  bringing the donors that she knows have supported  

1:15:40other dogs for other kids introducing them to  srf and saying would you help us raise for julian  

1:15:45so that’s magic to see um there’s no guarantees  though i mean ultimately if you’re signing up for   this you’re committing in the next 12 months  to raising 25 000 and cecilia will help and  

1:15:56i will help but the family has to be willing to  lean in and i mean virginia you did this for ty   can you talk about how afraid if you were i  don’t know if you’re afraid of anything but  

1:16:05you know how you felt about fundraising and  how that went uh so it’s it’s a lot easier um i  

1:16:14felt like when we you know as you know i haven’t  been really great at fundraising for srf lately  

1:16:20uh because i feel like we’ve tapped our network  for like help for research help for research um  

1:16:28that was really interesting thanks for  saying that i know yeah virginia talk

1:16:36my truth so this is how i felt about fundraising  because some people are weird about fundraising  

1:16:43yeah that’s true exactly and but it’s a whole  different thing when um i feel like having a  

1:16:49dog you you’re fundraising for something that  is that is very concrete and it’s going to have  

1:16:55a direct impact on your family and so i was able  to reach out to others that might not necessarily  

1:17:03have donated for other things people you can  i mean there’s a lot of dog lovers and that’s  

1:17:10like uh they’re gonna open up i mean they’re gonna  fundraise for that they’re gonna contribute um and  

1:17:16yeah and and i’m happy to share some of that i  know cecilia is going to work with you i’m happy   to share some of the stuff that you can grab  any of the the pictures that ty has and grab  

1:17:27some steal some of the stuff from our experience  if that helps raise money for your kid and you  

1:17:32can say he look at this kid how he benefited  from it we won the same for ours like yes

1:17:42and this webinar which is now on facebook and  we’ll be on our webinars page on the site will   help as collateral for that right so we’re yeah  and then i’m sharon suzanto who i don’t know but  

1:17:53is asking questions in the q a um how about  kids with autism any service dogs for i think  

1:18:00we’re talking i don’t know this family so it  might just be somebody with an autism diagnosis  

1:18:05and then also a comment they contacted someone but  that that those people wanted the parents to come   and do a five night training so i think i’m just  gonna editorialize here then i’ll let you answer  

1:18:14cecilia yeah that you’re gonna come here and do  a five night training is when you’re dealing with   somebody who’s working at a much different scale  right they’re training a lot of dogs it’s a little  

1:18:23more standard the offering you’re going to have  to go there go through their training come back   i think a lot of us in the singapore community are  like that’s just not going to happen and by the  

1:18:32way my kid is different than a lot of other kids  so the odds that your dog is going to fit my kid  

1:18:38not as it’s not going to be as easy i think these  dogs are amazing and they’ll probably figure it   out but i would much prefer to start on the right  foot so yeah and i work with children with autism  

1:18:48and we see what uh what it needs to do the most  right so we could be like we want to interrupt the  

1:18:55meltdown so your dog will be more like a medical  alert will alert when the meltdown starts building  

1:19:01up if your child elopes we will do the anchor  depression therapy i know for sure it will be  

1:19:07one of the skills because that calms the child  down you don’t have to come here and spend five  

1:19:12days doing a lesson your dog is customized so  each door is customized so when i place the dog  

1:19:19i will teach you how to talk the dog the same  way that virginia learned how to talk to wapa  

1:19:24and that’s a process that i started from the very  beginning so when i started working with mike  

1:19:30he immediately began receiving documents  on how to prepare the house for the dog   because i am aware that when you  have a child with a disability  

1:19:39i can’t expect you to fix everything in one  week so you have 10 to 12 months to say like  

1:19:46the tail of the dog might not call you know nicole  um knock out the decorations that i have on this  

1:19:52table so we are going to redecorate that so you  have plenty of time to do that and plenty of  

1:19:58time to learn how to interact with the dog you  receive videos you will often receiving videos  

1:20:05that shows how i interact with the dog and you  can watch them over and over again until you get  

1:20:10the rhythm of your body and your language and so  that’s the way that i work and uh i don’t know  

1:20:19blue path it’s hard okay they asked for either  parent to stay overnight oh that’s a question  

1:20:27and consequent yeah no um one of the if you can  afford once uh the puppy comes to my program  

1:20:34when the puppy is 16 weeks old if you can  afford to spend a weekend here in san diego  

1:20:42that for me is ideal because i get to know face to  face your child the dog the puppy that’s the first  

1:20:50uh bonding with the child if you cannot do that  then we i do other you know there are other ways  

1:20:57that i will bond your child with the dog but  that’s the only thing that um that and i leave  

1:21:03it up to their parents you know if you want to  spend a weekend in lovely southern california

1:21:10then you can do that yeah we didn’t have to travel  uh we didn’t travel and you saw the bond between  

1:21:16thai and guapa yes and then uh cecilia one of  her trainers came over uh to deliver the dog  

1:21:24and they stayed here and that was one  of the big differentiators between other  

1:21:29uh programs to me is because i do want um to  adapt like the trainer was able to adapt within  

1:21:37our environment and entice regular environments  so he was with us shadowing everywhere we went  

1:21:43and being able to adapt a few things uh right on  the spot instead of us traveling being completely  

1:21:50out of our environments but sleeping in a hotel  and that kind of thing which is not what you   it’s not home and that’s what i loved about  cecilia’s program is there’s that possibility  

1:22:00that the dog is delivered to your home and um  the first adjustments are made at your home

1:22:09all right i’m gonna call this good  we’ve been at this for 85 minutes  

1:22:16it’s pretty impressive all day i know i  just realized virginia could talk forever   about the dogs um so thank you cecilia for  working with us i hope that i hope i i hope  

1:22:27you’re working together for years to come thanks  virginia for sharing thanks olga for organizing  

1:22:33and uh yeah thanks for listening see  everybody later if you have questions   thank you cecilia shared her email and it and  it will be in the it’ll be in the notes on our  

1:22:45on our webinar page and we’ll we’re easy to  find just reach out to us okay thanks everyone